5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby switches » August 24th, 2010 01:25 PM

yep you can and the brake lines are fine, i didnt change mine.

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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby jones » September 20th, 2010 01:33 AM

I just did this on my 97 ex wagon and learned a few things...

First up wagons are their own beast, lots of things are specific to them. The rear spindle are bigger, the front brakes are bigger and thicker.

Up front I used all 95 odyssey stuff like everyone else. The van knuckle has a bigger bore for the bearing carrier. I read somewhere that the wagons already had the bigger knuckle. This is not true, my wagon has super low miles and has never been hit, its unlikely that theyve been replaced. Also the wagon rotors are bigger and thicker at just over 11" and 25mm thick. Odyssey rotors are 23mm, so you need to use prelude VTEC front rotors, and your wagon brackets and calipers. Youll need the complete odyssey knuckle

In the back the wagon uses a thicker spindle, but the good news is its long enough to grab quite a all the threads on the 36mm nut, and the 95 odyssey hubs slip right on. The load washer dosent seat and damgages the threads a bit at the bottom if youre using an impact gun, because the ody hub is taller. Im trying to find a new nut that has the load washer built into it which would eliminate this issue. you will need to cut the step off the face of the hub on a lathe, then you use 98 v6 accord rear rotors. The prelude rotors do not work, the hat on the rotor is too short. The ody hub is 5.6mm taller than the factory rear hub. this means the brakes and WMS (more on this later) is now 5.6mm to far outboard, and so the rear caliper bracket wont bolt up to the the rear knuckle. I used some scrap aluminum and cut 4 5.6mm spacers on the lathe and bought some grade 8 10x1.25x35mm bolts to reassemble the rear brakes. You will need to press the ABS reluctor wheel down 6mm so that the sensor can see it properly as well.

lastly the Ody's have a wider track. The rear hubs are about 6mm taller, and same in the front. This moves the WMS out 6mm, which makes wheels hit fenders. I used +45mm 19x8 offset wheels and still hit fender in the back. youre gonna need to run a 50 offset wheel to clear, or roll your fenders. High offset wheels like this are pricey...Ive only found them in work, enkei, and volk so far.

I dont like rolling fenders, Ive found the pinch weld distorts and leads to water and filth getting stuck between the inner and outer fender which promotes more rust in the already prone rear fenders, and at the end of the day the fronts are still able to make contact if youre running camber kits. Im still trying to find the perfect hub for the rears but im running out of hubs to try. Most honda hubs are for the thinner spindle, so im going to start fooling around with mazda\toyota\nissan hubs. I thought about pressing the hub apart, machining the bearing recess deeper 6mm , then reassembling and cutting the extra height off hub, but the outer race of the bearing is the hub body so thats a no go.
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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby blacksheep » September 20th, 2010 08:22 AM

damn that's good info

I know when Katman did his (he has a sedan) we talked a lot about all the different options for rear hubs. I had suggested 96 or so TL V-6 rear hubs but I forget if they fit or not, I'll have to ask him when I see him online. Then again his car is a sedan and the wagon is a different thing again but I know he had a set of TL hubs and had posted the measurements somewhere.

they could be another option to fix the rear track on your swap

btw, what's a WMS?
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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby jones » September 20th, 2010 05:43 PM

Yeah I tried the TL hubs already, but i didnt specify V6 ill try that again. The TL I got ran the smaller rear spindle. WMS is wheel mount surface
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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby blacksheep » September 20th, 2010 08:17 PM

I just asked him what the story was on those TL spindles. He says they fit but the rear track ends up wider

BTW is the 5-lug bolt pattern 5x100 or 5x114.3? If it's 5x100 I might do it and throw on the 19's from my old Audi - they were dual-pattern 5x120 & 5x100
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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby jones » September 21st, 2010 12:23 AM

Wider, and the wrong spindle diameter. Bolt pattern in Japan 5 lug - 5x114.3, or 5x4.5 same pattern
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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby SQ is the SQUAD » April 4th, 2011 09:29 AM

ok, i got a 95 lx wagon. i cross referenced the parts numbers between my front hubs and the v6 accord hubs and they where the same. so i am going to chance that i already have the larger hubs.

this is the route i am gonig to go, tell me if it sound right.

95 odyessy front hubs & bearings
97 prelude rear subs and bearings
98+ type r f&r rotors
23t caliper brackets
stock calipers
94-97 ex sedan rear disc brake conversion

does this sound right?
My 94 Accord Wagon LX build thread

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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby unknownracer » July 20th, 2011 12:19 PM

i have another question for front rotors on this 5 lug conversion..as per jones reference on the thickness of the oddy rotors to 5th gen accord wagon rotors, what front rotors do i use with my existing factory calipers and pads(which are for 25mm rotors) i really dont want to replace calipers and brackets.

and if i can use the oddy rotors, wouldnt the brake feel spongy due to the fact that its already 2mm less?

i see that the 06 civic si rotors are 25mm thick but 11.8 inches in diameter(.6" bigger diameter than the 5th gen accord wagon rotors 11.2" diameter)<<<would that be a possible candidate?? or will the .6" differance just not fit...

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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby unknownracer » January 31st, 2013 03:15 PM

Bumping old thread, I still havent had any replies to my last question

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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby feliciano214 » January 26th, 2015 03:50 AM

i have a 95 wagon lx how would i go about the conversion i work at autozone. i am confused as to what exactly i need for the conversion. i do know i need to do the dis swap for the rear so i need info on that as well...thanks in advamce.

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Re: 5 Lug Conversion Parts List and How - To

Postby Orlanodo187 » March 9th, 2018 09:35 PM

Hello I have a 91 Honda Accord want to tho the 5 lug conversion on it it haves rear drums on..what I need to tho this conversion first time...the front I need 97 odessy parts but the rear what I need