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No spark or fuel

Post by FASTWAGON » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:50 am

I'm going kinda crazy changed da main relay n still I have no spark or fuel pressure I've changed da coil distributed wires plugs checked ground wires n still have no spark or fuel up by rail any help guys 92 lx manual wagon not even push start #-o
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by ex-r-wagon » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:30 pm

Can you hear the fuel pump in the tank running? That's about the only other part that would stop you from getting fuel into the rail.
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by HorsepowerFreak » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:50 pm

What was it doing before it would not start... Did you change anything or work on something?
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by FASTWAGON » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:26 pm

Hey guys I just swapped the wire harness from engine bay cuz the distributor went out on me n the harness was chopped up everywhere so I changed it along with basics plugs wire coil gaskets cap rotor n started back up like a champ then something stupid told me to put a wire from cooling fan to fuse box in engine bay n everything died the instant that wire touched I've replaced the main relay the n fuel relay under dash even removed my alarm n cut offs haven't checked fuel pump yet but Im still stuck on no spark the ground by thermostat is plugged dash cluster works power to windows ect... Motor turns n starter kicks :( someone help please wagon in distress thanks in advance
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by HorsepowerFreak » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:08 pm

Have you cheched the main screw in type fuses in the outside fuse panel. I would start with all the fuses. sounds like you lost power.


And be shure the ground wires at the thermostsat have a good connection, and the ground wire from the battery that goes to the engine has a good connection.
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by sport_wagon » Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:59 am

HorsepowerFreak wrote:Have you cheched the main screw in type fuses in the outside fuse panel. I would start with all the fuses. sounds like you lost power.


And be shure the ground wires at the thermostsat have a good connection, and the ground wire from the battery that goes to the engine has a good connection.
Times two. Sounds like the 80 amp main fuse or the ignition fuse or both.
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by FASTWAGON » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:33 pm

I will check those later today plus all grounds again thanks I hope that's it
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by FASTWAGON » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:53 pm

Guys I checked the fuses n the grounds but still no fuel or spark I hear the relays ticking under the dash what else can it be #-o
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by HorsepowerFreak » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:07 pm

Do you have an alarm system? eather factory or aftermarket?
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by HorsepowerFreak » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:21 pm

Oh, and just because the relays are clicking doesn't mean they are working you have at least 4 wires on each relay and the main contacts in the relay could be fried and the switch part of the relay still work. so testing the positive output of the relay and the input switched power is necessary to be assured of proper operation.
If the main power of the relay is not present, it would then be a main fuse or a interrupt relay from a possible alarm system or other main relay.
If the switched power is not present it would be from second type source like the computer or pressure switch, brake light switch etc.
I understand the brake light works on this car but ti was trying to explain the power cycle.
grounds are needed for the switched side of the relay so there will be only one ground wire in the relay. the ground for the system IE: fuel pump, brake light, fan, horn etc. is on the end of the circuit.

I hope this helps, if i was there i could help better, but information is the key to this problem so tell us more......
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by iakona » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:37 pm

a couple things:
when you swapped out the harness, was it plug and play or did you have to change anything?
was the distributor you put in an exact replacement?
are you sure the distributor was good?
is everytihng plugged in?
no ecu swap?
is the motor pretty much stock?
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by FASTWAGON » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:41 pm

iakona wrote:a couple things:
when you swapped out the harness, was it plug and play or did you have to change anything?
was the distributor you put in an exact replacement?
are you sure the distributor was good?
is everytihng plugged in?
no ecu swap?
is the motor pretty much stock?
Engine is stock except for headers n intake , the harness was plug n play dizzy was good I've tried four different dizzys no ecu swap removed alarm n with tester light it shows power to all fuses n relays
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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by HorsepowerFreak » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:49 pm

OK, lets start at the beginning.... find the fuel pump relay and remove it, test (with your test light) to find one constant power terminal in the relay plug only one will have power. Then, cycle the key and test to make sure you have power on the switched terminal but it will only be there for about 5 seconds or less then it will go away. you may have to try it a few times to find it.

then let us know what you find.
remember one will have constant power, and one will have power for 5 sec.when you switch the key on.


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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by rmcguire » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:06 pm

Have you checked the ecu, to make sure its actually still working? An easy way to check is to just turn the key over to run or accessory and see if the check engine light illuminates along with all the other lights. Just a thought, to check everything.

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Re: No spark or fuel

Post by FASTWAGON » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:11 pm

HorsepowerFreak wrote:OK, lets start at the beginning.... find the fuel pump relay and remove it, test (with your test light) to find one constant power terminal in the relay plug only one will have power. Then, cycle the key and test to make sure you have power on the switched terminal but it will only be there for about 5 seconds or less then it will go away. you may have to try it a few times to find it.

then let us know what you find.
remember one will have constant power, and one will have power for 5 sec.when you switch the key on.


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hey guys i checked the fuel relay i get the one with constant power but i dont get the 5 second one plus i get no codes from the ecu the check engine light just stays on but i have power to all my gauges wipers locks lights no noise from the fuel pump n no spark just starter turning... would it be the ecu and would any ecu 92-93 work or do i need the pt6 cuz i get no code from a pt3 also thanks ahead of time
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